"And the Obsidian wants to paint it all black...as he is justified."
"Anger, fear, aggression - the Darkside are they."
Although I've mentioned it in passing a few times previously, after reading a few comments from my most recent post and taking yesterday out to meditate on things, I thought it would be a good time now to more fully flesh out what I and others refer to as the Dark side of Game - it IS real, and can be dangerous, not only to Women, but to the practitioner himself. In case anybody's missed my previous comments on the matter, here's what I said:
"In my own presentation of the Venusian Arts, I often make allusions to the famed Star Wars series of films, since many of its themes and concepts work very nicely to explain much of Game's underyling ideas. Just like the Force has its "Light" and "Dark" sides, so too does Game, and it is dependent upon the user as to which way he will go. In the community today, and down through the ages, there are those who have used the Seduction arts for good or ill; in the present day, I refer to those who use Game in its worst light as "Dark Game" or "Sith Game". Roissy in DC, is an excellent example of this. For lack of a better way of putting it, "Jedi Game" is the morally right way of deploying Game; indeed, it is a tenet of Game teaching, both in the hood and in the burbs, that true players "manage expectations". Lying to a Woman in order to get sexual favors from her under false pretenses, is an example of Sith Game."
- Obsidian's comments on a recent VSB post re: Game
"In Gamespeak, Dun Moch is basically Negs Gone Bad, used intentionally to bring a Woman low, and/or makes her question her self-worth and esteem in a pernicious way - for example, using sharper edged Negs on a sub-7 target, or using Negs in a way that attacks the target's personhood, such as her weight, physical or facial features, her race or ethnicity, and so forth. Other “dirty” tactics can be brought into play, too-just think of how a Gamesman can use Game in a negative, morally questionable way, and you have Dark Game. For example, flagrantly and blatantly lying to a target as to your true intentions with and for her, or attempting to use Game to seduce her best girlfriend into bed, or using Game to manipulate your target's emotions and feelings in a clearly abusive and morally unethical manner - all of these are examples and manifestations of what I refer to as Dark Game or Sith Game. It’s something that is both highly effective, but also very, very damaging, to the Target and the Gamesman both, because usually, this form of Game is quicker to learn and often doesn't put as much if any stress on being morally ethical in how one applies Game; indeed, quite the opposite, for a big part of this style is a kind of "ends justfying the means" mentality. This is the big problem with the "fast" or "speed" seduction schools of thought out there, operations and outfits that promise its would-be students that if they but only learnt their particular system, they too will be making out with Women in a matter of minutes and so forth. Assuming such schools of thought and practice were indeed successful along these lines, the lack of ethics training and the very nature of the enterprise itself is such that it can seduce, corrupt and lure the practitioner over to the Darkside of Game - where he begins to view Women not as full human beings in their own right, but merely as things to be manipulated; he begins to lose respect for them as human beings because of the way in which they succumb to his machinations; the quick and easy path he has taken leaves a lot of gaps in terms of ethics and morals, and the result is a Man who can potentially wind up filled with contempt and even hatred for Women, other people in general, society, and ultimately, himself. Men who wish to learn Game so they can exact "revenge" on a particular Woman who rejected him, or Women as a whole, are invariably practitioners of Dark or Sith Game, "hatefucking" and the like."
Just as I was getting ready to hammer out my thoughts on the matter in a more expanded form, I ran accross this most excellent comment by fellow Manosphere blogger Brendan aka Novaseeker:
"I think what happens is that Game is like a Pandora’s box. Once it is opened, it can lead to various places.
The places it leads to depends on the guy — what he wants, what his background is, how vengeful he may be from his past dealings with women, what place he is “starting from” in terms of base level of physical attraction, moral restrictions and the like.
From my perspective I don’t think that using the Dark Side of Game is moral, in most cases, but I know why guys do it. For the most part it has to do with a pre-Game experience of a LOT of rejection and poor treatment by the same “general type” of woman he is Dark Siding after he learns Game. It’s a type of table-turning fueled by the negative experiences before learning Game. There aren’t that many Dark Siders who go an practice their Game on decent Church girls, really … mostly they’re going right back into the shark tank with the type of girls who wouldn’t give them the time of day, and pumping-and-dumping them. I can understand the logic and the emotion involved, even though I don’t agree with it morally.
I think, though, that it’s easy for women to underestimate the damage done to men who are rejected as betas routinely between say 16-25, while they are simultaneously seeing a small number of guys getting laid to beat the band. It causes quite a bit of damage, and can easily lead to a LOT of negative feelings about women. Some guys can overcome this, and some can’t. I generally advise younger guys who are facing this catastrophe to do everything they can to avoid becoming bitter about it, because building up that bitterness can tend to lead to the Dark Side. Learning Game is also pretty much mandatory for any guy who wants to do reasonably well in the market today, but the emotional mindset needs to be addressed as well, I think."
Indeed, it does - and this is what deeply concerned me yesterday as I read certain comments in response to my most recent "Discourses Upon The Game". It is fairly easy to fall to the Darkside, especially now that there are quite a few people around who actively teach it, such as Roissy and RosshV, to name but a few.
Learning the Seduction Arts is a powerful thing; it opens up a new world to a Man, even those who had experienced considerable success with Women (contrary to popular opinion, Game attracts not just guys who had little to no success with Women; in truth, it also attracts Men who want to do better with Women as well). It seems as if the Universe intentionally tempts you with more Women than you can handle, to see what you will do with your newfound abilities. It is so very important to have the proper mindset, lest you become seduced by the Darkside of the Game in the manner described above.
In most matters, I try to remain as morally neutral as possible because I have found that all too often, one's emotional state can and does cloud their judgment and ability to discern things in a clear and balanced way - but when it comes to the topic of today's lecture, I must be emphatic. I am focused on the Light, and anyone I teach Game to must also be focused on the Light as well. I practice Game for both my own AND the enjoyment of the Woman in my life. Such practitioners are interested in more than merely themselves; Darksiders and Sith types care only about themselves. Those who walk on the Light side of Game learn to have a great deal of respect and empathy for Women as a result of their study; those who walk on the Darkside foster contempt and utter hatred for Women. Those who practice "Jedi Game" never lie or engage in deceit in order to get in a Woman's pants; those who practice in "Sith Game" have no compunctions doing these and many, many other things in order to get what he wants. Those who walk in the Light are devoid of bitterness; those who walk in the Dark are awash in it.
The simple truth of the matter is, that there are quite a few of the latter practitioners of what they refer to as the Crimson Arts than they are like those of us here today - and like all such things in life, they can and will get the most facetime and ink. It is for this reason that we have to thank Neil "Style" Strauss for his memoir The Game - he is most definitely a Lightsider, shown by the fact that his book was an honest cautionary tale for all those who would seek to wield Game out there on the dating and mating market. He details his own temptations and how he dealt with them, some good, others bad. But ultimately he came away from the whole experience a better human being. That, ultimately, is what Game is all about.
And so, hopefully, are the rest of us.
My deepest thanks to Brendan for the assist in today's post.
Now adjourn your asses...