"And the Obsidian wants to paint it all black...as he is justified."
The other day over at one of my favorite Internet hangouts Very Smart Brothas, The Champ puts up a very interesting post about the need for African Americans to engage honestly in a discussion on Race that has been dogging our Republic almost since its beginning. The following is my take on the matter, and you can see the fuller discussion here, as well as the responses to my comments. (An interesting sub-theme of the conversation was my take on Sistas in our time - what a hoot!)
Before I begin, please allow me to draw your attention to the blatant evasions, red herrings and straw man arguments in response to my comments, as well as quite a few others. This doesn't help us when engaging Whites on these issues, and which in my view goes a ways towards leading many of them to think as they do. The more we African Americans duck and dodge these and related hard questions, the more fodder we give to those on the other side, some of whom may not have any of our best interests, and I'm speaking as a nation now, at heart. And we risk alienating those Whites who might otherwise be allies to our cause. Just something to thnink about, as I'm always in social experiment mode.
Comment & reply, invited!
"Good morning Champ, VSB folk,
Good post you got here! Can't say I saw the program to which you are referring, but I am very familiar with its focus and tone, and I agree, such shows always seem to come off as deeply contrived or at the very least, labored. I spend a great deal of time in what some have come to call the "Manosphere" - a gaggle of blogs, forums and websites that focus on Men's issues and concerns, and is virtually all White. In said "sphere", Race is discussed a lot, and usually not in a good way, ie, a way that is favorable to African Americans. This is done because many in the Manosphere, feel that they have been cowed into silence about what they truly feel about Race and Black people in particular; that even legitimate criticism that they may have is looked upon, by Blacks and many Whites alike, as racist. As you are very familiar with the blogsite Roissy in DC, I am sure you get some sense of what I'm talking about here.
I think what these denizens of the Manosphere want to openly tackle and discuss, is the whys and wherefores of, for lack of a better way of putting this, "Black Pathology" - like, why do Black people have babies out of wedlock at such high rates? Why are Blacks so loud, aggressive, uncivil (indeed, uncivilized?) - both Male, and especially Female? Why must Affirmative Action persist in our time, when there are the Barack Obamas of the world? And speaking of Obama, why are Blacks from other areas of the world, like parts of Africa and the Carribbean, act so differently from African Americans - and achieve at much higher rates? Why do African Americans do so poorly in school, in spite of exhorbitant expenditures per student (like Washington DC and Newark, for example) and even when controlling for socioeconomic status of the parents (like the John Ogbu Shaker Heights study)? Why can't African Americans drop the ghetto culture and fully assimilate into the American way of life - including names, religion, mannerisms and work ethic? Why is it that every Black country languishes in Third World status? And why can't we have honest discussions about Race and Intelligence, with a view toward crafting public policy that reflects the truth about these things? Why do Blacks commit violent crime at such high rates - including rape of White Women?
These and other questions/issues are frequently discussed in the Manosphere. And whether we like the questions or not, I think if we're willing to be honest, the questions do have some legitimacy to them.
Now, in response to the questions you posed:
1. In the history of the recorded world, there has never been a popular music genre that consistently, enthusiastically, and creatively sh*ts on a group of women like rap does with African-American women. Why is that?
O: Because Black Americans are in a unique place on the scale of human history, much in the same way that America itself is in a unique spot on said scale. But I have an even better question that never seems to get any facetime among Hip Hop's critics:
Is ANY of what so many rappers are saying about Black Women, TRUE? Forget for the moment that it may be airing dirty laundry, or that its crudely put accross and so forth - is what the rappers saying, at rock bottom, have ANY shred of merit to it? You see, like the White Manosphere's concerns about "keepin' it real" along race discussion lines, I think the answer to this question, as much as we don't like to admit it, is YES, there IS indeed much truth to what the rappers are saying. And if that's true, the only logical conclusion has to be, that we all, and Sistas in particular, has to honestly confront that. I mean, if we're really interested in the truth and actually addressing problems...
2. Why are African-American women the only women on the planet where a good many of them (not all, of course. but enough to matter) expect men to be attracted to certain personality traits that are the complete antithesis of what most men are attracted to?
O: See first response above. Also, see my article here (http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com/entry/60053), which makes the case in a most cogent way, that African American Women have greatly benefitted from two of the world's most significant post-WW2 era civil movements known to Mankind. That colors things considerably (to say nothing of the unique place Slavery and Jim Crow put Black folks in to begin with, and had deeply profound effects on the way we get on with each other in a romantic and sexual sense), and hence the impetus for your question.
3. Even if you control income, education, and background, African-American men still get married much, much, much later than men of other ethnic and cultural backgrounds (if they even get married at all). What’s up with that?
O: Simple: GAME. Black Men have been noted for having more broad-based sexual appeal than other groups of Men on balance, and thus do not need to do what other Men do in order to secure feminine company and sexual favors. We don't get married as much because we don't have to. Just anyone else does what they do. *shrugs* Nor is this likely to change anytime soon, in large part because far too many Sistas really enjoy the Magic Stick too much to get them to close their legs unto a Bruh puts a ring on it...
4. Our history in this country has given us a bit of a “they’ve been oppressed, so it’s ok for them to do and say openly racist sh*t” pass. And, we’re not particularly shy about using it, even in jest (myself included). Anyway, we especially know how hurtful racially-charged insults and comments can be, but we continue to do it. Why?
O: Because again, we are unusual in the annalls of human history, and as such we do things that other people prior to us didn't even give much thought to. Although it is my belief that Race is very much a biological reality, it wasn't explicitly recognized as a social one until relatively recently in Human history. Remember Champ, that Psychology itself isn't a century old, and so we're still attempting to understand the Human mind, and why we act as we do. Adopting terms like "Nigger" and making it our own has a deep psychological component to it that I don't think any of us has really sat down to consider. We should.
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